The Good, The Bad & The Gray
Welcome to The Good The Bad and The Gray Podcast, a compass in life's labyrinth, shining a light on relationships, wellness, and personal growth. Join me as I share insights and interview diverse guests. Together, we'll discuss highs, lows, and the in-between, offering perspectives on health, career, and more. Tune in for candid conversations that peel back life's layers, revealing the good, the bad, and the gray with hues from light to dark.
The Good, The Bad & The Gray
Ch. 2: Ep 8 | Navigating the Maze of Gender Dynamics Ft. A Renee
Ever wondered why the checkout lane you choose says everything about your dating preferences? Welcome to a candid exploration of how men and women navigate the complex world of relationships across racial lines and communication styles.
Dr. Gray and A Renee dive into a fascinating discussion triggered by comedian Carlos Miller's viral take on why Black men date White women - suggesting it comes down to availability and pursuit styles. Using a brilliant grocery store checkout analogy, they unpack how people naturally gravitate toward those who actively welcome them, regardless of race. This opens up a deeper conversation about dating dynamics: do Black women play "hard to get" while other women make themselves more approachable? The hosts share personal experiences dating across racial lines, revealing that while women share similar emotional responses, their upbringing and cultural backgrounds create unique relationship experiences.
The conversation evolves into examining whether platonic friendships between men and women are truly possible. Both hosts believe they are - with the right boundaries and maturity. A Renee shares that most of her close friends are men with whom she's never considered romantic involvement, while Dr. Gray emphasizes the importance of wanting what's best for your friend even if that doesn't include yourself. They reference Blair Underwood, who eventually married his longtime best friend after his 30-year marriage ended, raising fascinating questions about friendship's hidden romantic potential.
Gender roles, communication differences, and conflict resolution styles round out this compelling episode. When asked who's more likely to walk away from conflict, both immediately agree: women. As A Renee explains, "When a woman's fed up, it's a wrap" - women often disengage gradually, piece by piece, before making their final exit. This observation reveals deeper truths about how men and women process relationship disappointment differently and why recognizing these patterns matters.
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Welcome to the good, the bad and the great podcast, where we shine a light on wellness, personal growth and relationships. Together, we'll discuss highs and lows and the in-betweens, offering different perspectives on health and wellness. Tune in as we peel back the layers of life, revealing the good, bad and the great. Welcome back to the good, the bad and the great podcast. I am your host, dr gray, and we have our resident in the building which is A Renee. What's up? A Renee Back again.
Speaker 3:What's up, Dr Gray?
Speaker 1:So, man, it's been an eventful weekend actually for both of us. So, yeah, let's just update the pod on what's going on and what's going on with your life, you first. Me.
Speaker 3:Or ladies first.
Speaker 1:Ladies are always first.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you know that yeah, for sure uh, I've been so busy. Okay, I've been working in in rehearsals. I've basically been surviving off naps. I didn't think that that was possible, but I I get up early, I still I'm still 4 am gym girly for now and then I go home after I work out and take a nap and then I get up and go to school, which is where I work.
Speaker 3:And then I'm at school all day because I'm there from like noon until like 930 because we have rehearsals now. So I work in the daytime and then nighttime rehearsals. Then I go home and I take a nap and then I get up and go to the gym. That's been my schedule this last week. It's been very interesting, different. I'm not accustomed to splitting my sleep up.
Speaker 1:So napping is your thing, basically.
Speaker 3:Right now I'm surviving off naps.
Speaker 1:Naps are good, though I like naps. If I can squeeze a nap in, oh, 100%.
Speaker 3:I mean technically, it's not. You know, they say that anything over 30 minutes is not a nap, it's sleep.
Speaker 1:And you take more than 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:That'd be like four hours. Some people survive the whole day in four hours, but that's some people's night. Every night I need more than four hours of sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've trained myself to nap, if I can.
Speaker 3:I know how to just go straight to sleep. Yeah, that's real interesting because I can talk to you and I'll be like. You sound tired, you need to take a nap. Nah, I'm not taking no nap.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm not taking a nap unless I need to take a nap.
Speaker 3:You needed to take a nap yesterday.
Speaker 1:Look, typically people that are getting up like extremely early, like we are they have room. Take a nap Like bro. If you're going to be up for the entire day and you're up at 4 am, yeah, take a nap at some point.
Speaker 3:Oh, don't worry.
Speaker 1:Post-GEM. If you could post-GEM for sure, I'm squeezing one in today before rehearsal. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Don't worry, I'm getting a nap in today, okay.
Speaker 1:What you been up to, yeah, traveling, I would say, man, a lot of brand business stuff, a lot of things, actually a lot of things, and I think more of like kind of getting everything together. A lot of people bring a lot of people on board for business, which is good, I say a lot of good people, a lot of skillful people too, which is good, I think.
Speaker 1:Just looking back, I had this conversation with, uh, one of our people that are kind of intern with our um business last year. She was like yeah, I know, last year we had so many, we had few people, so it was like a lot of hats everybody was wearing, especially you. And she said this year I can tell you're wearing less hats and it's a lot more organized because we have more people to kind of do a lot of things. Right, are you looking at?
Speaker 3:like you wearing less hats.
Speaker 1:100 oh, this is just for the brand this is for everything yeah I'm wearing less hats, so it you, you're thinking about so and oh man, this is crazy. I heard uh I think it was a clip, uh, maybe on youtube yesterday and the guy was like you know, people have to understand, sometimes being second is actually being in command and not being the one. You know being the supporter and we can talk about this in relationship wise but being a supporter to whatever, um, you know person that is in charge or in the lead at the time is sometimes being in command because you're dictating and controlling a lot because of your support, and if they didn't have that support, typically that would be maybe not as far on as they are at that point with you. So, a lot of being that, the reason I said that is because a lot of areas I've been taking second to and no longer taking lead to, you know because but I'm involved, obviously, and this, I think that's how you should run a business, or you know, if you are, you know, like jay, like jay-z say I'm not a business, I'm a businessman, I'm not a businessman, I'm a businessman.
Speaker 1:If you are in that position, you have to take second to a lot of things, meaning allowing people to be great at what they do and instead of you trying to lead them at what they should be doing. That makes sense. You just support him, you know. But yeah, a lot of that, a lot of support, um, a lot of getting things planned for the summertime. Summer's going to be super busy for me, and busy in terms of good, not like a busy in terms of exhaustion and oh, I got to do this no, in terms of exhaustion. And oh I gotta do this no, I'm excited about everything that's about to happen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I'm tired but I'm excited yeah, like I can't, like I'm tired, I can't, I am tired, but I'm excited. I mean I'm enjoying this experience that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good dating life. How are you updates?
Speaker 3:uh, casual, I'm still healing a little bit yeah, so it's real very, very, very, very casual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is casual dating?
Speaker 3:Like we'll just converse and hang out Like nothing serious. We haven't been on a date or anything, but we're both very busy.
Speaker 1:So why is this?
Speaker 3:person important right now for you to be talking about them then Because we talk every day.
Speaker 1:Oh, so if you talk every, day is that casual dating?
Speaker 3:I, I mean, I wouldn't even throw dating in there, which is cool, we're getting each other oh but it's nothing serious I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm not in a hurry for that, I'm good on that part of my life I'm just learning these levels of dating and and casual like all that type of stuff, because I think you can say it's casual, like I'm open to do.
Speaker 3:I want to say entertaining other people. I'm open to talking to other people.
Speaker 1:As you should in this state.
Speaker 3:But I don't go out there fishing. If you want to talk to me, come to me. I'm done with that.
Speaker 1:But what if they feel the same way?
Speaker 3:Well, I guess we're just going to be walking past.
Speaker 1:each other know there's a lot of that going on, because I just shot my shot before I was thinking about it, I said everybody's like oh, I was just waiting for something to come to me. On that note, I think it's more of and this is just my opinion I think it's more of women putting themselves in the proximity of the man that they're attracted to and the man putting the initiative to approach the woman based off of his attraction to her. That's how the connection should work.
Speaker 3:Okay, but then let's be, I don't do anything. I went out yesterday when we got done. When we was done yesterday, I went to the store, I went to the mall and it was too many people. I went home Like I don't do anything. So the places I go it's not really going to be anyone new, so it's not like I'm just. If somebody wants to talk to me, they're going to have to see me on the internet, they're going to have to see me on social media Because I don't go anywhere. Like, I don't like people like this.
Speaker 3:I like to be in my own space, in my own everything. Like I said, I was out yesterday. I was like wait hold on it's the summertime.
Speaker 3:What's all these people doing outside? It really shocked me how much traffic and how many people were out yesterday. It made me go home. So that's the space I'm in, like I'm in the same place every day. I go to the gym at the same time every day, so I see the same people, which is usually, for the most part, older people. You know, most of them are married or whatever.
Speaker 1:And I'm not interested.
Speaker 3:Plus, I don't go to the gym for that. I don't go to the gym to find a man. If that happens, it happens.
Speaker 1:But Gym love.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I've put myself out there. I've approached men before yeah, there's nothing wrong with that, oh I don't see anything wrong with it, but I'm not doing it right now yeah, I see.
Speaker 1:I see it's a lot of like for most men, believe it or not. Some men are very attracted to women that are that bold. So you believe, if you shoot your shot, believe it or not, you might like actually make that thing 80, 85 percent of the time with the right man, that's true, also I would, but it's.
Speaker 3:I haven't seen anybody worth just me approaching yeah, well, you're in the healing journey.
Speaker 1:So I, I personally, would say relax, it's coming exactly everything.
Speaker 3:You don't need to come right now.
Speaker 1:Don't come okay, wait till next twin, twin seats you're gonna hide me, you're gonna push it off just chilling right now. Please leave me alone yeah, I feel you okay okay please leave me alone, not in the mood I know that feeling man listen yeah but it's all good.
Speaker 3:I'm glad that I have experienced the things that I've experienced. It helps me in the future it is helping me now and you know we talked about that a little bit with cj, so okay cool no worries.
Speaker 1:Anything else you want to talk about before we jump into the topic?
Speaker 3:topics or topics no, you good though about what?
Speaker 1:life life is. Yeah, life is good. Um, I don't want to keep bragging on the podcast. Oh, life is just so amazing. No, it's just. I think it is what I'm making it right. Like they're sure they're obstacles, there are things that are not, you know, in my favor, but like I don't put energy into those things, I like, literally, I, a lot of detailed, small things that you know I think are beautiful and exciting and I I got a whole fast of those, versus just going in and just like, oh man, everything, no, bro, it's like I'm living a similar life and I think a lot of people need to understand that.
Speaker 1:Um, I think a lot of people understand that, like it's what you make it, like you're gonna put stress into what you think is stressful yeah I mean I would advise you to like if it's not good energy, like, get away from it, don't entertain it or, if it takes your energy, avoid it. So I think I've been doing those things and I've been very good at that and I'm man and with that mindset I've been seeing some good people, like I've been been reciprocated some great, some good energy, you know, in terms of like just people in general. So what you give you and apparently I've been giving some good energy.
Speaker 3:I don't know what was wrong through this morning at the gym, but I guess he was in training mode.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so okay, let's, let's go ahead and break this down of the psyche of just or Dr.
Speaker 1:Yeah because sometimes when I look, listen, when I'm in a gym not all the time when I'm in a gym I think there's these. There's this side of me that people enjoy. That is like like bubbly. A lot of it is super energetic. But there's also this side and work mode. There's no, like I don't have an issue, I'm not mad, it's just like. Just like I mean okay, this is what I gotta get done, let me get this done.
Speaker 1:And I think some people they want me to adjust in the moment and I'm like we got to get this done first. So my brain works that way. Like, for instance, when we're setting up, you're like what's wrong? I was like no, I'm just trying to get us set up so we don't have to waste a bunch of time. Because I've noticed, when we do have to like get in and just set up for a whole 30 minutes, we waste a lot of time and we get to the podcast and most of the conversation is kind of shorter. So I'm like, how do we maximize our time? So I'm like focused on getting us set up and I think people think I'm angry, like no, like I'm literally in the same state, I'm just in work mode, but we can still talk, talk, it's just you won't get like all the good jokes, the 100% smile the entire time. You'll get focused just.
Speaker 3:I was getting mean mood when I walked in here y'all I was like dang, what'd I do?
Speaker 1:I was only five minutes late, I wasn't even thinking about you. God late, yeah. So for anybody that actually listens in, know me and that are, like you know, maybe around, I'm not angry about anything. It's just like if I'm in work mode, I'm in work mode, not saying you can't like, you can still talk and we can still converse or whatever, but just know I'm at work, I'm trying to get whatever the task is in the moment done and that's it yo, how I know that you really did earn your phd why you said that because you didn't say conversate, you said, said, converse.
Speaker 3:I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you. You know, Like people don't know that.
Speaker 3:No, people do not, and. I be like.
Speaker 1:These are my two pet peeves, jesus Not knowing that it's converse and not conversate, and also not knowing that it's not. Couldn't care less. Like, could care less, like, could care less is couldn't care less or could not care less like people don't know the difference between that and and it's, and obviously I think it's not a big deal. But if they understood what it meant, then they would really say the proper word a lot better like oh that could be a whole podcast of just how people pronounce it you words in the wrong way.
Speaker 1:I'm by no means like the best articulating graph, like no, that's not me, but in certain things I think, if they really understood, they were like okay, cool, I should probably say it this way I just wanted to say something about your phd. I feel like that's very important yeah, I wanted to throw that out there, dr.
Speaker 3:Great well, you've been a huge advocate of me I've been calling this man dr grace since, like november, he's like you have my phd. I was like for real. I changed your name and my phone and everything you didn't know before. No, it was like a time where you know, I think I fell off for a minute but yeah there's a time where I wasn't in the gym as much, and I think that's where I don't know but you know what I'm starting to realize like people that I'm meeting.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was me like I don't know. You know what I'm starting to realize like people that I'm meeting. I don't know if it was me Like I don't know. I'm not like a. I don't share my life with the world, I just kind of like you just do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just do it and I try to like if I'm interacting with someone I don't want to like, I want to like to make it about me. So it's like, how can I learn this person? So we're talking about you having great conversations. I don't want to come and say, oh yeah, I have my PhD. Oh yeah, actually I'm a biker. Oh yeah, I do all this other type of stuff.
Speaker 3:I think it's like egocentric if I do something like that. I think what happened was I was like I didn't even know you were still in town and you was like I'm working on my PhD. And I was like for real, because I think once you, you know you didn't do the job that you used to do. I didn't think I was going to see you and I think so I was like what you doing here, I'm working on my PhD for real. And then that's when I started calling Dr Gray. That's so cool.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 1:You're so cool, really cool guy thank you, um, I don't know how I should take that, no, but look seriously and this is this could be a lesson to our listeners is I think that you need to understand that some things that you're working on you shouldn't broadcast. Yeah, um, because a lot of times you have you put that other energy, you put that energy out there and people bring negative energy towards what your goal is and what you're trying to accomplish. So that's another reason I don't like go in and just advertise things, like if you see it, sure good. But if I don't advertise it is because I'm not trying to bring so many different energies in it and until it's ready, until the baby is birth yeah you know, then I can kind of show it off, but yeah, that mindset kind of helped me with on my journey.
Speaker 1:So that's a nugget Cool. Let's jump in the topic of the day.
Speaker 3:Okay, that was a long update.
Speaker 1:That was. We can cut that down. No, don't cut it. It's cool, that's 15 minutes bro. That was long as hell, 15 minutes bro.
Speaker 3:What are we talking about today? We talked about a couple things.
Speaker 1:I think so all y'all, justin, be on YouTube. Excuse me, dr Gray, be on YouTube hard. You stay sending me clips. Youtube has some decent clips. I like YouTube, so shout out to ChatGPT first and foremost.
Speaker 3:ChatGPT or. Deepseek, either one we go together real bad.
Speaker 1:They are some great collabs on different ideas. I realize I don't know if it's chat, gpt or deep seek stroke of my ego, but check this out Whenever I ask a question it could be a deep question and they'll be like oh, that's deep.
Speaker 3:They're like oh, I love that topic.
Speaker 1:I love that question, like don't stroke my ego, but the question was it was a topic around um perspectives about men and women coexisting, and I think that's the broader topic. But we're going to talk about a lot of uh, more specifically, communication styles, friendship boundaries. Also, we're going to start this with a clip, though, to kind of, you know, dive into interracial dating yes, yes, y'all ready, let's go.
Speaker 3:I hope it's not too loud. Why do black men date white women in your opinion? Just be honest, is it because they're more easy? And I say that. How you gonna say they're more easy. I'm asking. I say quote on quote.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of different reasons. Okay, I think this is my opinion. Alright, no doubt. These are just like my observations and the things that I've seen White women make themselves more available In what ways? They be around. They show up, they know where the athletes gonna be at.
Speaker 3:I have heard that.
Speaker 4:And then with the athletes and all that shit like you gotta keep in mind. It's like tears to the like college and then like the professional and shit like that, they hang around and linger. That's what Tushman said yesterday. They'll watch you strike out all night and it don't affect your chances with them or nothing. They want to be down. So they make themselves more available to the shit as opposed to playing hard to get. Act like you don't know this motherfucker. They know it, they know the status.
Speaker 3:But I'm gonna say this and I really want everyone to hear me when I say this you can stop it right there.
Speaker 1:Carlos.
Speaker 3:Villa is crazy Dude.
Speaker 1:Carlos Villa is one of my favorite personalities for a long time, when they first started the 85 South Show 85 South Show is insane. I was watching that when it started. It's that he's. He's hilarious. He's one of the funniest people out there.
Speaker 3:I think so don't get distracted, come on, reel yourself back in because you know you will go off on a tangent white women chasing down okay. So I took notes on that clip y'all because when dr gray sent it to me it was some things in there that actually triggered me. But I want to start with the triggers. White women make themselves more available. So first of all, I feel like I know and you, I mean you can't say, you don't have to, but like you, date anyone, right, not like anyone, but Not Whoa, you don't restrict yourself to just you date outside of your race.
Speaker 1:I date outside my race, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, I mean, you seem like, just like you just seem like you're open to it's not about the color of the skin. It's more like the character I date in and outside of race.
Speaker 1:Just to be specific, you know I've dated black women I think obviously more black women than anything but I've dated white women, hispanic. Yeah, I dated outside my race so wait, what's the difference? Besides culture, inside the relationship or like the actual connection piece. What are you asking here?
Speaker 3:inside the relationship I mean, or is there a difference? Inside the relationship absolutely is not a big difference in terms of a girl is a girl I think women are a woman is a woman women are very similar in a lot of aspects.
Speaker 1:Uh, depending on their background and their example of relationships, they may treat the relationship different or they may serve the relationship different. Um, you have women that like, especially nowadays. You have women that are more, let's say, aggressive, but more, um, uh, heady or what's the what's the term looking for when they're in front, more max. You want to say masculine, more masculine in terms of like how they go about operating in their relationship. But that also depends on the man. I don't think I ever had like a masculine woman. Or if they've been masculine, when they're in a relationship with me, they're pretty much more submissive because I think I do carry that masculine role a lot better than they would.
Speaker 1:Um, but yeah, I think sure in a relationship is different. Women are pretty similar, but they're different attitudes and I think it's just. It's different in terms of um, connecting, like the, the beginning of relationship, like getting there, that's a better question, but in a relationship most women are similar okay except oh man, hold on, I don't know that goes careful. Yeah, that goes back to the beginning, like their upbringing. So I have to say that their upbringing makes the relationships different.
Speaker 3:Okay, so how they? That makes sense because that makes I don't even have to. Yeah, you don't have to expand on that. No, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:Inside the relationship. Their upbringing makes the relationship different.
Speaker 3:That's anybody though.
Speaker 1:Correct. But their emotions and how they typically go about, you know, processing things are almost similar in terms of like emotions when they're hurt, when they need to be more forthcoming, and they're not like, uh, the typical, you know woman thing yeah, woman, I'm glad you said it. I didn't say it I did.
Speaker 3:It's okay, okay, go ahead, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:So, um, this is not in my notes from the clip, but but it made me think of, like Saquon Barkley, like his did I say yeah, children's mom, whatever.
Speaker 3:Like you have to think about it when you think of interracial dating sometimes, because Saquon was to Penn State that's a PWI, so most of the women there aren't going to be black women, so it sometimes it's like the environment that, because we're talking about this this particular clip was talking about, like white women, um, pursuing black athletes. So sometimes it's the environment because it's not like all the, the all the male black athletes that date white women or Hispanic or whomever they don't, just, you know, come across them in their professional life. A lot of them start dating them or meet them before they get to where they are and the women just stick around Like they were saying, like Karlo said yo, you could have struck out all night, All night in your baseball game, you didn't get a home run at all, but she sees your potential and she's going to stay. But I just wonder, like y'all don't think black women do the same.
Speaker 1:So let me give you the full bird's eye view of that, and also this is going to be an example that relates to Carlos Miller, but also Saquon Barkley. So put yourself in this position.
Speaker 1:I'm going to try to walk with, with you, so say you're shopping at a grocery store, right, and you know you go through each aisle, get all your products. You're like man, maybe you're gonna cook spaghetti that night. You get all this. You get the ground beef, you get the noodles, you get the sauce. It's going down right, and you just want to get out of there as fast as possible because you see a rush of people coming in. Just say that.
Speaker 1:So you walk to walk to the front of the line. Say you're at Publix or H-E-B, whichever grocery store. You walk to the front of the line and you see two lanes open. All right, you follow me. Two lanes open. One lane there's a cashier. Let's say lane one, the closest lane to you. There's a cashier that is sitting in her cashier cube, ready to check you out. She sees you, she's looking, she's ready to check you out. Lane two right next to her, right, there's a cashier standing at the front of the aisle, literally outside of her her cube, by the front of the aisle, and she sees you and she's like hey, you ready to check out and you like. Let me ask you this question which one are you going to?
Speaker 3:that one, you, you going to.
Speaker 1:That one. You're going to lane two. That is exactly what he's referring to in that clip. White women are usually more enthused, or they show more enthusiasm in terms of getting that person, or effort, if you want to call it. They show more effort in terms of getting that guy, that athlete or whoever a black guy that's attractive, and that's usually what happens, and let's say that the transaction happens. He goes to lane two. What happens to black woman, the black in lane one? She's bitter, she's like well, I don't care, but all she had to do was what come to the front of the line and I guarantee you, if both of them were a little bit more enthused or showed the same enthusiasm and at the top of your line, who would the guy go to?
Speaker 1:probably, one yeah, right, so it's all about, and he mentioned it like it's all about hard to get like bro, like drop that, like you don't need to have that, that that mindset, literally, if you are interested in somebody and you're searching, pursuing, let them know and then honestly, if it's competitive out here, which it is, the person that shows the most enthusiasm is probably going to win, especially in the beginning. Maybe you know I don't know what the aftermath after he checks out or after you check out what it is, but at the end of the day you got to your checkout, somebody showed you a little bit extra service and you're like cool, I'm cool with this. That's a lot of cases now, some cases you may have small cases where men are very like oh I don't date, and I don't date black women because x, y and z. That could be a case where a person's getting ready to check out they saw a black woman like man, she's gonna give me a hard time.
Speaker 1:That predetermined yeah preconceived notion of, oh, this is going to happen, and he goes to the, the line, the other line, just because right. But in most cases, I think, if we're talking about the pursuer of in, the pursuer in this case being the clerks at the uh, the grocery store, the one that actually shows the enthusiasm, the more enthusiasm of checking you out, would probably be the one you go to. That's what I see and that's how I feel about the situation. My perspective, kind of like carlos Miller said, it's just my perspective.
Speaker 3:Okay, so, like I said, I have shot my shot before, but I've never shot my shot with no professional athlete. But okay, so I get what he was saying, because he was like white women will make themselves more available. They know what hotel y'all gonna be at, which that's kind of interesting because most of the time they're gonna block the hotels off. But they know what they know, I guess the area, the vicinity, the city, they know all those things. So they like trying to be there. Yeah, hey, hey. Oh, I guess they fixated on a specific person, but also that's. Do you not think that's a little much, though?
Speaker 1:don't you want someone to show you that they want you? That's a lot, that's a lot well, I don't think the athletes know that, and they're thinking much about how they got access and how they know where they are. They're just like, oh, this is here, cool, let's let me give them you know that's a lot, they so they it's like they're hunting yes but see they hunting so that they can have a easy 100, life 100, because once they,
Speaker 1:get that, they, once they get them, they gonna be locked in do you feel that the black women should compete more when it comes to dating black men? Like you know, no, we good we're not.
Speaker 3:I'm not competing for nobody. You want me, you want me. What's the chase? What's the chase versus the conquer? What like specifically? What does that mean? The chase versus the conquer? Like what?
Speaker 1:the pursuit, so like being in action, to get you know signs of of uh, I would say, accomplishment of your gain. So each step there should be in a process of like, oh cool, like I did this and this was the reward for okay, um, if I do something else, these are things that are going to come as I create the action. Um, the conqueror is like okay, I got it. I'm the man I know. I played in the work here, so I think that's important too, though, but it depends on the person.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, I'm not going to say that I play hard to get, but if I'm not interested then I will play hard to get, but if I'm not interested then I will play hard to get. That's like a double negative that I just said. But it's like I'm telling you, like Dr Gray, for real, sometimes we just don't want to be bothered. It's like when you have experienced some of the things as a woman because you're a guy, which I'm not trying to like downplay your experiences but when you have experienced some of the things as a woman, because you're a guy, which I'm not trying to downplay your experiences but when we've experienced the things that we've experienced, it's like you kind of just know what's coming. So let me just avoid this. I don't want to deal with this situation again. I don't want to deal with this type of person again.
Speaker 3:Let me just avoid it. Let me put this mean face on, because I look what the rbf, my rbf is strong but that's a another perceived, conceived, preconceived notion.
Speaker 1:I can't get it out all right. That's another preconceived notion that you're doing and that's filtering out even, maybe even good dudes at that point. So it's like you're playing that same play and the other side is too. So it's like you're playing that same play and the other side is too. So it's like no one is connecting because everybody has this preconceived notion of what's going to happen, instead of opening themselves up, you know, I would say, to certain qualities they can see and initially, versus just kind of like, open themselves up to everybody, but no one is opening themselves up, so no one is connecting. So it's less connecting and it's more like oh, cool, I'll go somewhere. And what happens is black men usually go other places where it's like, oh, this person is open, oh, this is easier here. So that's why you have these disgruntled men talking about oh, black women are this, this and that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we have that angry. They always think we're mad.
Speaker 1:Both sides have preconceived notions, right, like so how do we? I think it's going to take one side. It's like you know what? Nah, I think some black women for sure now like, yeah, they don't have those preconceived. They are like, open, they will go get. They're some go-getters out here bro, they's wild out here. I don't know, so I wouldn't call it wild. Don't try to put that.
Speaker 3:I will because I'm a black woman and I'm on black women's social media. They're not all wild, though.
Speaker 1:It's some good girls out here that are, you know, go-getters. That's what I would say yeah.
Speaker 3:They will go get their man, if that's the case, so not saying, like you know, wow but it's both sure it's a subset in the subset I don't got a black little notebook just like me that's crazy work no, it is, it's not me though but, I'm, I, I get what you're saying, yeah, and maybe I'll get to that point, but, like the people that are like me with the rbf, it's just, I don't want to be bothered like if, but I feel like I, if I do want to entertain you, I will because, like, like the person that I'm, you know, just community, I'm just gonna say I could have ignored him but I did yeah I was interested just to see what he's talking about you got bored bro no, I definitely didn't get bored, let me get bored.
Speaker 1:sometimes they want somebody to entertain them.
Speaker 3:I would throw this fan at you.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me it's a lie.
Speaker 3:Yes, women get bored, but I wasn't bored.
Speaker 1:Every woman has some guy she's entertaining on some level. Every woman.
Speaker 3:Have you ever been cheated on? Because I'm moving past that Absolutely. For real.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:By both races, all races.
Speaker 1:Ooh, but yeah, by a black girl actually.
Speaker 3:Oh, not by like a white girl or Hispanic, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure it's possible, but younger days, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, because then the clip goes on and the lady in the clip says she gets a little disrespectful because she starts talking about, like if something happens in a relationship with the opposite, like if you're in a racial relationship and the. I don't even want to say what she said because it was a little offensive, but basically she was saying that if your relationship don't work out, then y'all want to come back to the black woman. If your relationship don't work out, then y'all want to come back to the black woman.
Speaker 3:And then where's this notion coming from that black men don't cheat? And then this is where I get triggered, because Carlos and the other guy on the podcast was like what you mean Black, black men don't cheat black. Well, she was saying black men do cheat. And they was like what you mean Black men don't cheat. What are you doing? That's making them men do cheat. And they was like what you mean Black men don't cheat. What are you doing? That's making them cheat on you. And I was like huh, you're doing something Like they're cheating on you. Why are they cheating on you? What are you doing for them to cheat on you? And that really triggered me.
Speaker 3:I was told by a man that I was in a relationship with that. Men will cheat just because that I was in a relationship with that. Men will cheat just because. He said that men don't have that same mental compass that women have. Like, men cheat just because, whereas women have to have a reason to cheat.
Speaker 3:And so that triggered me because I was like what is she doing for them to cheat on her? Because she said that every black man she's been with has cheated on her. And I just got really triggered in that part of the clip and I got upset that dr gray sent it to me after that but I what? What do you think about that? Oh have you ever, oh, have you ever cheated, dr gray?
Speaker 1:um, have I ever cheated?
Speaker 3:or did jay Stone cheat?
Speaker 1:Did J Stone cheat. So I was a big toxic at one point where I was failing to commit and in my mind I was saying, oh, I'm not committed to this one person, so I can kind of date and do whatever I need to do.
Speaker 3:So it was more of a like a situation shit than a relationship I part, no, I hold myself accountable.
Speaker 1:Okay, I led them to believe that there was yes, gross we were in a committed like but I never like really committed okay, so in my mind, but that's what happened to me.
Speaker 3:He led me to think that we was in a committed relationship. I was committing and he wasn't. But see, you were younger.
Speaker 1:This is a grown man. No, I was a grown man this time. No he's 40. Oh okay, so yeah. But well, I mean, I think, anything past 18, well, anything past 21 is you're grown.
Speaker 3:You're grown, but you're still growing In your 20s you're.
Speaker 1:Making mistakes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're making Like you, literally effing up in life in your 20s and I say that as a woman yeah, and in your 30s you start to see the consequences of your actions and start to be like dang. I really did this in my 20s. So for a 40-year-old man to tell me that I'm like what? But men cheat just because, like you, don't have anything else to do, you don't know what a commitment is, you don't want to be monogamous, like if you just want to be going here and there, then don't call yourself you know, or don't call yourself being in a committed relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you know that mindset of in don't call yourself being in a committed relationship. Yeah, I think you know that mindset of where he's at is typically, or where he was Me and life crisis.
Speaker 1:No, it's typically a mindset most men have at a certain point where they're like okay, men cheat just because Men, at that point you're cheating because you're truly not ready to commit mentally but you may commit, because you're truly not ready to commit mentally, but you may commit because you don't want to lose that girl that you think is great. You know at that point. So we still have that childish mindset. We haven't matured yet. We still have that childish mindset at that point. Now what Carlos Miller and I guess Paul Pierce on the episode was saying is like they're at a certain age now so in their mind they're probably not cheating or they're probably not even getting in relationships. So technically, black men don't cheat no, baby, they do well, you just missed the entire, the entire thing.
Speaker 1:Why I said I'm saying it? Because at that point they're not in relationships, or them, yes, or they're. If they are in a relationship, they're matured enough to where they are not, you know, exploring other other options. But at a certain age the guy said, like you said, he's like, oh, I'm gonna cheat. You know, all men cheat just because it's because at that point mentally they're not ready to commit, but they're, they verbally committed because they don't want to lose this option that they had. So they're going to kind of continue to have that mental battle between what they want and what you know is in front of them and I think a lot of times, that's when we hurt people and that's why I said midlife crisis.
Speaker 3:This man is 40 years old and this is the type of rhetoric that you're spewing out of your mouth. Midlife crisis, dr gray. Okay, you're not there yet and your mindset is different, like this that's, that's kid mindset, right there yeah it's only 24 hours in the day, man. Look, this is what they.
Speaker 3:They go by fast these days it does and you, you, you, out here doing Wild Doing. That that's too much, alright. Anyway, moving on. Oh child, I'm getting triggered again. Uh oh, let's Move on. Let us please move on. Gonna get all sick.
Speaker 1:Alright, so I got you want me to go with the question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool. This is a question Kind of like in terms of the topic I was Talking about, coexisting, when men and women, men, the multiple perspectives of of um, about men and women, women, coexisting. I didn't get that right. Uh, first one is um. Hmm, this is a good one. So why do men and women often misread each other?
Speaker 3:Why do men and women often misread each other as they're while they're dating? Sure. Um, maybe to avoid a certain type of conversation okay I don't know why do they misread each other? Why? What's your perspective?
Speaker 1:I think, it's obviously because men are logical thinkers and women are emotional thinkers and usually they're looking at their emotions and they're they're thinking, they're projecting, like what they would feel and how that person would feel based off what they're feeling, and men are like oh, this, this is how this is logically correct. So she should understand why this is correct, or she should do this and do that because it's logical. So it's just two mindsets of the logic and the emotional though women are very emotional creatures, can't lie.
Speaker 3:We're logical too. We have the quality of both, but we are very emotional. You need that. You need that balance. Yeah. So that's funny, because that question right there is very similar to what you just asked. What do you think men and women most commonly misunderstand about each other?
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 3:What do you mean when you say coexisting?
Speaker 1:Just like in general, like interacting on a professional level, interacting on a friendship level, interacting in a relationship or an intimate relationship or whatever. I think there are certain levels of coexistence that we have, we share with opposite sex, but there are a lot of the similar, you know, uh, disconnects that we have in those interactions. So I think you know that's why I asked that question in a manner like coexist, because at some point we're coexisting just on a certain level, like I said, business, you know, friendship or an intimate relationship or whatever uh, what do you think about gender roles?
Speaker 1:oh, what do you mean?
Speaker 3:like back in the day. It was like the the man goes to work and the woman stays at home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my personal perspective or.
Speaker 3:Yeah, your personal perspective.
Speaker 1:I think gender roles as we are should evolve, yes, but I also think, on that note, they should. They should, kind of like gender roles should, I would say, conform to the situation at hand. So if you have two people in a relationship and the guy doesn't have certain strengths that the women have that are more masculine, then if that works for them, then it should conform to that. Vice versa, like depending on strength and weaknesses. So I think nowadays, like there should be a conformity to gender roles, like if, depending on that, you and that person's connection, back in the day it was more of like, okay, cool, like the god does provide, protect, and I think those main principles are still in effect. As a man, you want to provide and protect, and I think women look for that because you know, um, they are not. You know everybody. Men and women are built differently.
Speaker 3:So I think certain qualities that men have that men, women can't have physically, so that works to the advantage of the relationship If the man is the protector, because typically he is bigger, stronger and you know whatnot and can you know, yeah, I, I think my dream I don't even want to say dream, but like, uh, an ideal relationship for me is to be with someone that like, not even just like be with someone because we got to be married, to be in the same household for me, like, yeah just having lived life.
Speaker 3:I want to be married if we living together, but where? If I don't feel like cooking, then you do it. You know what I'm saying. Like to where it's not just all. It all falls what you were saying. Times evolve, things change, so I don't just feel like the woman just stays in the house and just does all the household things while the man works. Because I like to work, I can't I'm sorry, I can't sit at home.
Speaker 3:I like to get my hands dirty too, so I want to be with someone that can pick up where I fall.
Speaker 3:You know, what I'm saying, like if I don't feel like cooking at night or washing clothes, whatever I want to be with someone that's going to be able to do those things and not, like, have to show them that they already know how to do it. Because, let's be real a lot of men now you know they live on their own, so, for the most part, how to do it. Because most let's be real a lot of men now you know they live on their own, so, for the most part, they don't do it well, they're doing that stuff anyways. Now some men like to eat out. Do you cook?
Speaker 3:uh, if I can sure if you can, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:if I have time to cook.
Speaker 3:Oh, if you have time, yeah it's like you, okay, but so some men can't cook, so I wouldn't expect you to come. If you can't cook, then I don't need you playing in the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Grocery's too high for that I got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I enjoy like. So, on that note, I think for me, in terms of gender roles or I can say gender roles I think, if I'm okay with both, if my woman wants to work, let's go support. If she doesn't, cool too. I mean, I think that's always been my mindset I don't want to like, keep her from being the best version of herself, but also I don't, I really don't want to see her grind hard every single day like my mom, you know. So it's kind of like a balance, and for I was, you know, fortunate to see two different sets of grandparents.
Speaker 1:One side, one with my grandparents were the guy my granddad hardest working man probably in the world I see him sweat every single day and my grandmother was a stay-at-home mom she's retired, um. And then vice versa. On the other side, my grandmother worked every single day and my granddad was at home, but both, in both situations, they both were the alpha and the omega of their freaking homes, like they were the head hunchos, no questions yeah so I've seen both you know, aspects of women working and women not working.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I mean it can work both ways. Yeah, it just depends on the person, right?
Speaker 3:and it did. It just depends on the, the relationship and what y'all agree with because, like, even when you get to get into the 50, 50, 100, like it, everybody is different yeah, so what works for you. This is hypothetical. Everyone calm down what works for you. This is hypothetical. Everyone Calm down what works for you and your woman might not work for me and my man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So it just depends on the couple or, you know, it depends on you, because everybody's not going to be able to do everything. It's not for everyone. I know you don't have one, but I was just hypothetical, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:Disclaimer I definitely don't have men right now. Justin's single, basically, that's what you're saying he's good, alright, moving on.
Speaker 3:Do you think men, why are you looking for this question? Do you think men and women can truly be just friends? Oh, that's actually the question see y'all, we really best friends that's the look.
Speaker 1:That was the question I was just looking for. I was just listening to a youtube clip earlier. Uh, on this woman. Oh man, I mean, should I play it?
Speaker 1:or not, it's a long one oh yeah but basically in in, um, in the short, she was saying that she was dating this, uh, she had this guy that was a friend and, um, he ended up expressing later down the road that he was, you know, in love with her and attracted to her, but he never got the opportunity, oh right, and you know, she said, you know she was saying that she never knew, etc. And all that type of stuff. But you know, she made some points about like you know that and really that she never knew, etc. And all that type of stuff. But you know, she made some points about like you know that, and she was like I don't think men and women can be friends, um, and whatnot. Now, personally, this is my perspective I think it can definitely happen, but it takes both parties being mature and also, typically it's difficult when both parties are attracted to each other. But it can happen if both parties are mature and the relationship is strictly. What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 3:Platonic.
Speaker 1:Yes, that takes work though that takes like okay, cool. I see it's almost like you and your mind want better for your friend Always and you know in your mind want better for your friend always and you know in your mind better is not you. So that's the kind of like platonic. That's like having a better place of tonic mindset, because once you get to the point to where you don't have that mindset, then you start to put yourself in the shoe of of their potential mate.
Speaker 1:And you can't do that, because if you are to keep their friendship, then it needs to be. I want better for my friend and you're always, you know, look out, looking that relationship that way. What are your thoughts? Do you think men and women can be friends?
Speaker 3:absolutely as a girly that has the majority. The majority of my friends are men that I have never looked at in that way, like in another type of way. Yes, I have one person that's a female, that is my bestie, but the rest of my male friends, which a couple of them, are my besties and then some, are just friends.
Speaker 3:Yes, women and men can be just friends and you'll know, like you'll know, the difference, the difference, yeah, you'll know if that person, if that person is gonna this, is gonna turn into something else, like the person I'm talking to now, like we, cool, whatever, but I know that it could be more later on down the line.
Speaker 1:I think so. There's levels to like friendship, like you have the friendship level where there's intention and there's a short period of time where there's intention to like actually date. Yeah, because you guys do share more commonalities. You share like the ability to kind of like you know you're interested in going out with this person and doing those intimate things Right. But the other friendship is like you're coexisting, because you know you enjoy the bun you guys have. You enjoy like relying on this person if you need them and vice versa, or if you guys have a common goal that you want to kind of accomplish. A lot of times it's like man, look this person is, is click, like they're genuine, they're honest and I want to keep doing my life in that aspect that's me, you guys.
Speaker 3:He's talking about me, so I'm a great friend.
Speaker 1:Yes, it can work in the beginning of it. So yeah, so I think. But it's also good to kind of know the difference, because you do have those people, those lions that are lying and wait for you to break up with your person and jump right um because you just said that blair underwood.
Speaker 3:Blair underwood was With his wife for like 30 years. Yeah. And they got divorced. This happened Like out of COVID and they got a divorce and His new wife Is his best friend. That's crazy that he has known for years. Like she, she probably was at the wedding. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:How do you know, though, like, if so. She was playing the whole time she was plotting the whole time she was playing the long game, the long game.
Speaker 3:It's crazy work, no, but that's insane because it's like I'm pretty sure his ex-wife was like dang, this is what y'all was waiting on, because they waited until the kids graduated and everything before they did the divorce, until the kids graduated and everything before they did the divorce. And I guess, just from what I heard, like blair underwood is not is one of those people in hollywood, whereas there's no scandal at his doorstep wow so I guess he was committed to the marriage.
Speaker 3:But I guess in the back of his mind maybe his best friend was always there who he, yeah, always there, maybe who he wanted in the end.
Speaker 3:I might, you know, I don't know, maybe you can have multiple people. That's like your person, and his time with his wife was just up. But that's so interesting that you said that, though, cause it made me think of Blair Underwood had a whole wife got divorced and end up remarrying his best friend. Wow, I don't, yeah, that's crazy, that's insane. Got divorced and end up remarrying his best friend Wow, I don't, yeah, that's crazy. That's insane Hmm.
Speaker 1:That's a long time. That is, but yeah, I. So my answer to that is yes, and I see your answer to that is yes, I think it's possible. Definitely gonna take some mature people.
Speaker 3:Um, I mean um, we can use our friendship. Like me and you, cool, we've known each other for a while. We've never, ever been on that level. Yeah. And it's just. I mean, we are mature, right. But I've just never seen that Like I love our friendship so I wouldn't even want to be. Sometimes, when you cross that line and it doesn't work, and then you try to go back.
Speaker 1:Can't go back to it. You can't go back. It was a saying that says like friends can be lovers, but lovers can't be friends. Like you can go one way, but you can't go back.
Speaker 3:No, you can't, and it's so funny cause, like my ex, all my exes, all three of my exes was like we started out as friends, so if it don't work, we gonna be friends. I'm cool with one of them.
Speaker 1:You know what? That saying, I kind of like disagree with it. I think it depends on the people, because there are some people, like Dwayne the Rock Johnson, like some people, have actually married, you know, been in love with someone, and then you know divorce or separated from them, but they're still friends. So it I think there's certain cases where it can work. Um, again, it depends on the two people. Are they mature enough right? Can they separate?
Speaker 3:you know what was and what is now yeah, I think that's super important so I think um people like that, where it doesn't work, sometimes it might help if it's not's not such a bad breakup or whatever with children, because you have the co-parent, so they make it work Because there are some very healthy co-parenting relationships out there.
Speaker 3:As a matter of fact, one of my classmates, ben Joe, shout out to you him and his daughter's mom. She's married now now and she has another child with her new husband. But him and his, his daughter's mom, they have a very healthy co-parenting relationship. He's very cool with her husband, they hang out all of that and actually he made a post and it went viral and everything. So it's like you, there's nothing wrong with having not working out with someone and then still being able to especially if children are involved, not be, especially if children are involved, you're able to co-parent and it not be like a toxic negative. Nah, you can't see that you know type of situation because I think she, I think his, his child's mom lives in Mississippi and he lives in Alabama. So they make it work across state lines. So it's not something that's not doable. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But it's, it's all about the people. Like in all of this that we're talking about, it's always going to be about the people, because everyone is different. Yeah. But I feel like it, it can. It can happen and I and I and I don't have kids, we don't have kids. But I feel like if a child is involved in you want to kind of make the make it as positive as possible, agree, especially if y'all aren't together.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, it's good, it's good I love how you know about the rock.
Speaker 3:You really do. You really do rock with the rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah the rock cool guy, cool guy yeah, I know last. This is last question before we get out here, so oof, um, oh man, these are actually two questions. I guess I can actually just does, um, does it make women feel overly sexualized or pressured on social media? Does social media make women feel overly sexualized or pressured?
Speaker 3:I guess it depends on your algorithm and what you're seeing. Does social media make women feel over sexualized or pressured? It just depends. I don't see a lot of content where I don't see a lot of things where women are over sexualized, and they just might be because of the, the content that I consume, um, but what do you mean when you say pressure, like?
Speaker 1:so like. So now you know most women are conforming to what they see other women do.
Speaker 3:Oh, so like mimicking.
Speaker 1:No Wearing the same stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I'm very simple. But that's your personal, that's me yeah no, nah, just based off of what I see nah.
Speaker 1:From a man point of view, though, I think it does look like you guys are putting in a position to Okay. So this is this is something I 100% agree with. I think women want what other women want. Typically, there's pressure there because once a woman sets a trend, a lot of women follow that trend because they maybe they like it or they feel pressure to do that because that's the norm in their mind or society's mind. It's the norm now. Prime example, activewear. Activewear has evolved from one thing to the next and everybody is doing the exact trend. What is the next trend for?
Speaker 1:activewear there was one point where you know, I guess women were wore certain certain things to the gym. Now they're wearing certain things to the gym, so I think that could be a pressure aspect or that could be over a sexualization of what they have, you know, because it's a little more.
Speaker 3:This one I had to type down to say it's a little more.
Speaker 1:This is what I had to type down to say it's a little bit more. It's a little bit more revealing now, right, but I think that's the biggest issue is because a lot of people are typically men now are like women are coming half naked to the gym. I ain't complaining about nothing because it ain't none of my business but a lot of men are complaining about that now and women are like they need to come to the gym at 4am, because we don't do that at 4am, we have clothes on.
Speaker 3:I was going to say women want what other women want, or women want what other women have. I guess it's a little bit of both, but Perspective versus reality, because over here I'm good To that what you just said. I wear a t-shirt and my bottoms at the gym are gym bottoms, but my tops are typically t-shirts because whatever pump I got is for me. I don't care about you seeing it so. But CJ said something the other day. He was like, or the last part or whatever he said um, the type of women he's like he don't really care about women coming to the gym like that. Like most of the time, the ones that come to the gym like that, they're covered up and they take their cover-up off to like take a picture and then they put their cover up back on but I like, I like.
Speaker 3:I said I don't really see that. I guess that's the 12 o'clock crowd, 12 o'clock, guess that's the 12 o'clock.
Speaker 1:crowd 12 o'clock. Yeah, that's the 12 o'clock and the 5 pm crowd. You're not going to catch me in the gym that late.
Speaker 3:It's too late for me.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, you got any other questions before we boat out of here? No.
Speaker 3:I mean it's a lot on here. It's a lot on here, but it's a lot yeah, I can.
Speaker 1:I mean, do you want to answer this question? It says hello in conflict. Who's more likely to walk away and why women? Women are more likely to walk away.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you why. This might be a Tyler Perry reference, I don't know, but when a woman get ready to do she like picking, she taking stuff away little by little, that's true, I've done that, yeah, I've taken stuff away little by little, and's true. I've done that. Yeah, I've taken stuff away little by little, and then, when it's time to go, she's out she gone like it might be one more thing she gotta grab.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm gonna see you later and I'm out. You don't know how many, how much I've seen of women. Um, when they they ready to go, they wait for that man to go to work and then they pack the house up. One day they took her six hours. She packed up the house of her stuff only her stuff. When she got all of her stuff out the house, the house was empty that's crazy and she did take his stuff.
Speaker 3:He came back from work he was like wait a minute, so women, it's like when oh, I hope that's not an archie it is.
Speaker 1:It is I'm thinking, the song, I think yo I was literally waiting for you to stop talking, so I can say like, literally, that is so no, like for real.
Speaker 3:That's great, you don't that?
Speaker 1:no, I know me right now like I had a conversation With someone earlier About like when a woman's fed. We were like, bro, when a woman's fed up, it's a wrap, deuces, there's nothing, nothing you can do about it and I'm not coming back. Yeah, and that song Is so True.
Speaker 3:It is, I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1:And man Just Sorry.
Speaker 3:No doubling back. I've I have learned I have circled back and circling back, I've learned that I shouldn't have circled back. Yeah. I should have ended it that first time, like even with my reason, is we circle? We did the double back. I should have let that thing go the first time when a woman's fed up man when a woman's fed up, we getting up out of there. All right, let's get out of here before our video clip stops. So anything else you want to leave our pod with today.
Speaker 1:No, we was all over the place, so I can't give a closing thought. Yeah, closing thought I can't either. I think, yeah, just tune in to next time, guys. Thank you for coming in and listening to the show. We're on YouTube and we're on YouTube.
Speaker 3:Let me call it out, cause you be wrong. We're on YouTube, you guys. It is under the name of Dr Justin Gray and you can find all of good, bad, gray content. You can listen to us on Apple and Spotify at the good sorry, not the the good, the bad and the gray podcast and all of the podcast platforms. If you type in the good, the bad and the gray podcast in Google, it'll pop up and you can follow us on TikTok at good, bad, gray perfect, thank you, guys like share and subscribe and we are out deuces.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys Like share and subscribe. Yeah, and we are out Deuces.
