The Good, The Bad & The Gray
Welcome to The Good The Bad and The Gray Podcast, a compass in life's labyrinth, shining a light on relationships, wellness, and personal growth. Join me as I share insights and interview diverse guests. Together, we'll discuss highs, lows, and the in-between, offering perspectives on health, career, and more. Tune in for candid conversations that peel back life's layers, revealing the good, the bad, and the gray with hues from light to dark.
The Good, The Bad & The Gray
Ch.2: Ep.10 | The Five Essential People You Need in Your Life ft A Renee
How many of these five essential people do you have in your corner? In this deeply insightful conversation, Dr. Gray and A Renee unpack the critical roles we all need filled in our lives: the comforter who provides emotional safety, the confronter who speaks truth with love, the challenger who pushes us beyond comfort, the counselor who offers wisdom, and the celebrator who acknowledges our victories.
The hosts share personal revelations about which roles they naturally embody and which they struggle to find in their own lives. Dr. Gray confesses that despite often serving as a challenger to others, he treasures comfort most—revealing how even those who appear strongest need safe spaces for vulnerability. Meanwhile, A Renee opens up about her current season of intentional emotional isolation as part of her healing journey, distinguishing this temporary withdrawal from unhealthy emotional laziness.
Perhaps most thought-provoking is their discussion about romantic relationships—should your partner fulfill all five roles? Both hosts caution against this expectation, noting the immense pressure it places on one person. "I think it's when you're wearing so many hats for one person, it can overburden your person," A Renee reflects, sharing from experience how impossible it feels to meet every need simultaneously.
The conversation takes a surprisingly touching turn when discussing physical connection, with Dr. Gray revealing how meaningful unexpected embraces have been during his healing process: "For the people that stole those hugs, I was like, dang bro, I needed these." It's a powerful reminder that sometimes we need connection in ways we don't even recognize.
Whether you're examining your own support system or wondering which roles you play in others' lives, this episode offers valuable insight into creating balanced, nurturing relationships. Subscribe now and join the conversation about building your emotional foundation with the right people in the right roles.
Welcome to the good, the bad and the great podcast, where we shine a light on wellness, personal growth and relationships. Together, we'll discuss highs and lows and the in-betweens, offering different perspectives on health and wellness. Tune in as we peel back the layers of life, revealing the good, the bad and the great. Welcome back to the good, the bad. Oh man, Yo, welcome back to the podcast. Yo, we're back. What's up? What's up, A Renee? What's good? Talk to me.
Speaker 2:Hi Dr Gray. Welcome back to the Good, the Bad and the Gray with Dr Gray and resident A Renee.
Speaker 1:Nice. I like the intro. Actually, while we got time, I think let's do a it's the perfect time to do like a reiteration of what the podcast is and about. So, guys, this is the good, the bad and the great podcast. I'm your host, dr Justin Gray, and she's a Renee, our resident.
Speaker 1:This podcast is essentially a space where we talk relationships, we talk mental health, we talk business, we talk career and everything in between, even the messy parts. I think it's super important to understand that this podcast we're going to talk about, you know, things that may be beautiful in a sense, maybe broken in a sense, or things that we don't even have a label for, and that's what you can find here. And that's what you can find here and that's what you can count on in terms of what we talk about in this pod. So, yeah, if you guys are listening I'm going to say this at the beginning of the episode If you're interested in listening to the podcast in full, you can find us at the good. You can find us at the good, the bad and the great podcast on all platforms. Anywhere you listen to your audio podcast, and if you're interested in a full episode, you can find us on YouTube at Dr Justin Gray. Again, that's on YouTube at Dr Justin Gray. Yeah, but welcome in guys.
Speaker 1:Thank you for tuning in. I know the past episodes we've been getting pretty. You know we've been taking our listeners on a journey, I think. I think the past episodes we've been getting pretty. You know we've been taking our listeners on a journey. I think I think the last episode was good. Obviously, most episodes are good. So, yeah, give us a little quick update. You know we do this in the beginning. Matter of fact, let's do this. It's been almost a month or two, right since we talked about what are you saying hello to and what are you saying goodbye to.
Speaker 2:It's been about three months.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's start that, because I think you know, as human beings, we evolve and we change every single day.
Speaker 2:What are you saying hello to and what are you saying goodbye to? Don't put me on the spot. What am I saying hello to? I'm saying hello. I hope I'm not making noise with my fan. It's a little warm in here, you guys. What am I saying hello to? I'm saying hello to experiences and opportunities that put me outside of my comfort zone, which I'm a routine person. So for me to say hello to something that's not something I would typically do or say yes to, I'm working on saying yes. Now, I'm not like Chrissy and Dr Gray saying yes to everything, but I am having an open mind and saying yes to more things than I usually would. What am I saying goodbye to? I'm saying goodbye to hurt. I'm still healing. I'm still on a healing journey, so I'm working through, you know, anger Sometimes and Decisions that I may have made that may affect me or may have affected me. So I'm Saying Goodbye to hurt. What are you saying? Hello and Goodbye to.
Speaker 1:I start with hello. I think I'm saying hello to. I wrote something down on my phone, all right, so this, this may help me um, all right, I'm saying hello to, um, the energy that is supporting you know, resilience, my sensitivity, my capacity to nurture. I think that's super important in terms you know resilience, my sensitivity, my capacity to nurture. I think that's super important in terms of you know me saying hello. I'm saying goodbye to. Ooh, this is what I'm saying goodbye to.
Speaker 2:I'm saying goodbye to worrying about the end destination and outcome.
Speaker 1:So I think, and outcome, so I, I, I think and that's super important, especially in this phase that I'm in cause, I'm like expanding, you know, my horizon and spending in so many different areas and I have to let go of, like, that destination of where I'm landing or what the outcome is going to be for, especially for, like you know, business ventures, especially for relationships. So I think, truly, right now, I'm letting go or saying goodbye to the outcome and the end goal, the, the end destination to, um, everything that I am today. I just gonna, I'm just going to be in a moment and let it happen.
Speaker 1:Being present in the moment is very important yeah, and I guess also what I'm saying goodbye to is the same thing, but it's just like not caring what the end destination is. As long as I'm in this journey and I feel like what I'm doing is worth doing and is purposeful, especially now for me forget how it ends, forget what I'm recognized for, forget you know how much money or the end goal or what I look like at the end. I'm just doing it. So, yeah, I'm saying goodbye to that Cool.
Speaker 2:That's loaded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's loaded, very loaded. I had to think about it because that's something I've been thinking about often, uh, recently, so yeah, so talk to me, hey, renee, um, give us an update on life in the pursuit of happiness brief update on life still busy, still make it why you make that face what is busy?
Speaker 2:what do you mean? You, your whole life is busy. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:you know what? Don't?
Speaker 2:don't let our listeners, please don't give our listeners that first of all, our listeners know you wear a thousand hats. I do not, you got 10 000 keys on your key change. You're a busy man literally.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not that yo I have time like I've been having a. What it is is, I think I know why you think I'm always busy.
Speaker 2:I'm listening.
Speaker 1:Because I always have something more to say or do.
Speaker 2:To do specifically.
Speaker 1:Anyways, you've been busy.
Speaker 2:Like I said the first time, while he making faces and noises I've been busy. I just busy is good. Busy, yeah, like productive, busy with the production, the show and working on my body goals.
Speaker 1:You've been in the gym grinding yo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm working. I'm working through some things, being positively influenced to change my diet, which we talked about a little bit. So I'm working through that and just trying to stay positive and continue my healing I mean my update is pretty short and simple. I'm just you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Same old, same old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same, I think for me I've been, I'm still in a, in a, I'm like, I'm in a place of like extreme creativity. I've been able to kind of like put moments together and create things from it. Uh. So, but busy wise, I don't know if it's busy, it's just staying, I don't know present and moving. I don't think I'm, but I have, because you make it seem like I don't have time to do anything. But we're here today.
Speaker 2:I mean as long as I call you better answer this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got you. Yeah, for sure, If I matter of fact, yeah, if I, if I, if you call me, I'm probably going.
Speaker 2:By the way, if I call anybody else.
Speaker 1:Answer the phone, because it's either money or we're about to make a move.
Speaker 2:Trust, and if it goes straight to voicemail, you should call them again. Oh, I don't do.
Speaker 1:First, let's just address that, All right. So I'm going to get this on my chest right now Do not disturb. This do not disturb culture is too extreme. First and foremost, if you're that busy to where you have your phone on do not disturb, then you don't need a phone once Cause, because at the same time, you don't need a phone, but I don't. Here's the thing I don't. I think majority of people that have their phone on do not disturb are not even that busy. If I'm busy, I do not have my phone. Do not disturb.
Speaker 2:And your phone be dead all the time.
Speaker 1:But again, I don't get no calls. My call is probably from like seriously, that's why I had to put my phone. Do not disturb, Because if I'm busy, people know I'm busy If I'm busy. But no bro, you don't need to put your phone. If I got to call you, hold on. If I got to call you twice, I ain't calling you once. I'm going to call you once, that's it. You get one call and it goes straight to the voicemail. Alright, I'm done.
Speaker 2:May I please address the elephant in the room Really quickly.
Speaker 1:A lot of people have that, do not disturb.
Speaker 2:A lot of people have do not disturb when they're driving.
Speaker 1:Okay, sure.
Speaker 2:That's fine, which was?
Speaker 1:case this morning. Hold on, bro, you're texting and driving. I don't text and drive, okay good. Sometimes, and drive, Okay good.
Speaker 2:Sometimes people not busy, they sleep and they don't want their phone to interrupt their sleep. That might be why they have their phone not disturbed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:What if you at work? Why don't you just don't answer your phone?
Speaker 2:When I used to work a day job where it was more structured. I'm answering. I don't care, my phone wasn't.
Speaker 1:I don't do not disturb so your problem is that you will answer if you hear ring duh I don't know what's going on?
Speaker 2:I need to see you. Hello you good, okay. Okay, I'm at work. I'll call you back.
Speaker 1:Like that's how my phone calls would go so now, since do not disturb is on you, no it's not.
Speaker 2:It's on right now because we're podcasting, but typically my phone isn't well, I'm saying since it's on right now because we're podcasting, but typically my phone isn't Well.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, since it's on and somebody call you, you won't care if it's an emergency or not.
Speaker 2:If it's an emergency trust and believe they're going to call again my sister, don't play that. She a nosy little thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't, I don't. Yeah, I still don't get it. Do not stir, or whatever. I mean, I see if you're extremely busy.
Speaker 2:Different strokes for different folks. Yeah, all right, some people don't like to hear their phone going off too, which is yeah Well, I'm blessed to not have that many people in my life.
Speaker 1:I guess, dang, maybe that's a good and bad thing.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't get a lot of phone calls, so I don't have to pull up, but you have a lot of people in your life support you. I'm not finna name drop on this podcast episode we can talk about the three people that's been on this episode four this podcast is actually about that.
Speaker 1:It's that topic what having people? The five most important people you should have, or five types of people you should have, in your life. This is a good segue. Do you want to play this?
Speaker 2:this was not a good segue, but we can move on. No, you weren't done updating us.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I'm not finished updating guys. We'll segue in a minute what else you got.
Speaker 2:You was telling us.
Speaker 1:When you said something, you said I'm not that busy, and I was like yes, you, Seriously, if I have time to be alone, I'm not that busy.
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Speaker 1:That was just random, because.
Speaker 2:I'm just like when you say you're not busy like sir. Okay, I think about the things that I know about. There are other things like. I'm not that busy bro okay, so to segue into our conversation for today, mr Not Busy yeah, you want to bring us in.
Speaker 1:So the conversation today is about the five types of people you need in your life, and this uh stem from a conversation that we had. Uh after I sent you a video. Do you want to share that video with us?
Speaker 2:yeah, let me make sure my volume. I don't want to be too loud. All right, y'all ready?
Speaker 3:five types of people that you need in your life a comforter, a confronter, a challenger, a counselor and a celebrator. So you need a comforter, a confronter, a challenger, a counselor and a celebrator. So you need a comforter in your life because life is guaranteed to hurt you and you need someone there to comfort you, because if you don't have someone who's there to comfort you, then you'll end up going to the person who hurt you to heal you. A confronter you need someone in your life who's going to tell you when you're wrong. You ain't always right, but you need a person to play the role to confront you when you're wrong.
Speaker 3:A challenger Someone who loves so greatly, who listens so greatly, who serves so greatly, and the way in which they live their life it challenges you to be better. You need a counselor. You desperately need a counselor, someone whose wisdom you can just garner things from, someone who's there to just lend you a wise idea. And, lastly, you need a celebrator, someone who will not let you go through a day without celebrating the small victories and, obviously, the large victories. Now what?
Speaker 1:ready, that's good, that's good. Oh so, guys, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna break down each of those um roles so you can understand a little bit more. So our counselor offers clarity, wisdom and perspective. They might be a mentor, a parent, therapist or friend. A comforterter offers a safe space, emotional support, warmth. They often are found in a long time, on longtime friends or siblings, partners, something like that. Celebrators they're your hype, men slash women. They affirm most of your wins or all of your wins. This could be your best friend or a little cousin, or maybe a barber or someone that you know, or just you know, a regular friend. Challengers they push you to level up, they don't let you settle, and sometimes this is like a coach, boss or ambitious peer that you're working with. Confronter confronter tells you the truth with love. Usually is rare but deeply valued. Yeah, so those are the five roles counselor, comforter, celebrator, challenger and confrontor why are you saying I'm out of order?
Speaker 2:what's in?
Speaker 1:my order.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, the order is confronter, confronter, challenger, counselor, celebrator and I like celebrator last, because it's like a I don't know. I feel like that's the better one of them all. Okay, because I feel like in in another way. Some of them, some somebody that plays a role of like a confronter, is also. They're confronting you, but that can also be a challenge for you.
Speaker 2:But what I want to preface the conversation with was when you brought this. When I listened to this clip and I was just like dang. It kind of made me feel slightly inadequate, because I was like bro, where am I Like? Where do I fall in these five different traits? Am I? It made me question myself.
Speaker 3:No lie. I was like am.
Speaker 2:I, this person, for somebody which I'm sure I am, but for me to be questioning it is like am I, maybe I don't know, but I do still feel like it's a, it's a good conversation and it's a something that'll kind of make me think more.
Speaker 2:You know even before today that, like I, said when I first listened to the clip I was like questioning myself yeah and my relevancy in certain people's lives and that's which I don't communicate with a lot of people, so it's not like it's a whole band of people that I can be this person for, but the few that I do converse with. Often am I this role for them.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to pose a question, and I think this is related to what you're saying which role do you think you play the most, or do well, in the people people lives that you are in?
Speaker 2:Celebrator for sure.
Speaker 1:So you're the celebrator for most people. I can attest to that, because I think you showed me like, yeah, bro, that's like yeah, celebrators for sure. I took great. I guess I need to answer it too, right, of course. So which one do you think? Oh, my son. Which role do you think you play the most? Do, uh, I think I do well at comforter.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, honestly, I think I do well at multiple ego, right exactly no but, no, that is so true now that I think about it like the comforter is, like someone that brings like peace and calm to the situation. Yes, I think I do very well at comforters.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. I think it's because and the reason I say comforters is because I realize a lot of people, when they come in, like my presence is like they feel like it's family, they feel like they can just say whatever without being judged. And I've seen it and felt that. And I've seen it and felt that and I'm like, oh wow, so this person is comfortable here. So I think comforter is what I played the best. Um question. Next question for you. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, you got another one. Oh, go ahead. Okay, I was gonna say the next question. I only have two questions outside before we go straight into the topics. The second question is uh, which one do you think is harder for you to fulfill or doesn't really come natural?
Speaker 2:Maybe the confronter, because I can see myself easily being a confronter. Confronter for me is not like being combative, but like giving constructive criticism. Comforter for me is not like being combative, but like giving constructive criticism, Like as a friend. You got to be able to give the constructive criticism while also celebrating, so that's easy for me. Like challenging you, that's easy for me. Counseling like I mean I can counsel you, I can be a counselor for you based off of the decisions that I've made as an individual. And, of course, celebrating is easy.
Speaker 2:So I think that comforter because I'm such a to myself person that my initial energy like people love me literally, but they will tell me they'll be honest with me after the fact and be like when I first met you I was scared of you. You look mean because I, let's remember, I have rbf sometimes. So like they'll be honest with me and tell me that when they first met me they didn't think that this is the personality that I have. So initially coming off bad, I would say. Comfort, it would probably be the hardest one for me okay, most unnatural, the hardest one for me, man.
Speaker 2:This is difficult because I don't um, I would say I don't know bro, this is difficult because, because I have a trait of all of these things no, stop it.
Speaker 1:Um, the most unnatural one, oh, I don't know like I feel, like I've. I've unfortunately been able to kind of do a lot of these, naturally, because I I usually start with comforting and assessing what people are and then, depending on what they need, I'll give them that. But if I had to choose one, it would be the one that comes most unnatural, I would say challenger.
Speaker 2:Really why.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing I think when people see me automatically and they just meet me and they kind of see, oh, that is how I move, I become a challenger, I motivate them to level up, right, I think so and I'm like, nah, that's not the role I'm trying to take, but most people see that and that's what they do.
Speaker 2:You having a background I have to say having a background in training people. That's a way of challenging, though.
Speaker 1:I know, but my goal has never been for them to level up, like I'm not trying to. Oh, we need you to level up. If they need that in a moment, sure, but it's moment. Sure, sure, I can do it. But I think out of all five, it's probably the one that I'm not naturally, that I naturally take Okay, because initially I'm not jumping into being your challenger. That's not my first game plan, unless you come and say, hey, look, I need somebody to. Unless you come and say, hey, look, I need somebody to push me. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:I need somebody to cuss me out. Right me, look, do right I got you.
Speaker 1:You finna work, trust um.
Speaker 2:But I think naturally for me, believe it or not, the challenger would be the one that that is like the most unnatural so the question was like which I don't know if that would be like a um, a rapid question, but it's just making me think again. The question was posed like do you have someone that is all five of these in your life?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are you one of these in someone's life, or are you all five? And I can say, just knowing you, I feel like you have um. Your personality is like summed up of all five of. I can say, just knowing you, I feel like you have a um. Your personality is like summed up of all five of them in some way and here's the. Thing making me feel inadequate over here.
Speaker 1:Challenger you see, bro, people be like I feel like, when we talk, I'm not doing enough. And I'm like, bro, I'm not trying to push you to do like more, I'm just. I'm just saying what we're I don't know, like I, it's like I can't run from being a challenger, because that's what I motivate people to level up yeah but all right, yeah, I personally think on that note.
Speaker 1:I think I thought and I still kind of think, like someone being all five for their significant other. I don't agree with, no, I don't think you should be all five you're yeah it's different.
Speaker 2:Wait, hold on, now what?
Speaker 1:yes, I think it's controversial. This is gonna be a topic. Actually, let's start rolling into our topic. So we got some topics we want to roll into. First and foremost, we're going to get into that. But, um, too many hats or too little compassion. I think that's going to be the topic in the segment here. So, you know, when it comes to someone that you're dating, I actually I just skipped over to yeah, let's notice I did. Too many hats, too many topics. Cool, here we go.
Speaker 1:Cool, I wrote these why, are you looking like that bro? I'm just listening um so, yeah, too many hats. I think I mentioned this on one of our past podcasts. I said I felt like in the past I was wearing too many hats for people maybe the business episode? I think so do we overburden one person to play all roles?
Speaker 2:do we overburden one person to play all roles? That's how much I talk, twister, yeah, I mean, if it's something that's like not natural, which I again I feel like it's naturally falls in line for you. But if you're like trying to coerce them to be all five of these for you, then yeah. But if it's, if it's literally just them, them like you, if you have you having a significant other, like they're gonna be, they gonna be real happy, like you're gonna be all five of them for them, even though you say I don't want to be off, but I'm telling you, it's just naturally, I don't want to be I know it's naturally going to happen.
Speaker 2:It's going to happen I know, I know can I, can I figure out which can I?
Speaker 1:can I just stay in this moment of of not wanting to do it, so I can prepare myself Explain why.
Speaker 2:Well, answer your question, I think.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it's when you're wearing so many hats for one person. It can overburden you know your person. If this is your person and you want them to wear all those hats Now, granted, I think most people would you know nationally, say, oh well, I want my person to be all of these different things for me. But that's a lot of work and it can be exhausting because if they're dealing with something and you know they can't put on the challenger role because they're in a lower point or maybe depressed or maybe some mental state, then they fail you. At that point you have the expectation for them to be your challenger and they're not mentally there. And I I was there. I was at a point to where I know I was dating someone and they wanted me to be a mental that challenger for them and I couldn't do it like to the level that they expected it because I knew I wasn't like mentally in a good place. So I think it can be, it can be overburdened at times. So I don't like mentally in a good place. So I think it can be. It can be overburdened at times. So I don't.
Speaker 1:I think you can wear multiple hats, but when all five man, if you're going to wear all five, you got to have grace from your other part, your partner, that's requiring that. She has to know, like okay, he or she has to know, like in that moment, like okay to know. Like okay, he or she has to know, like in that moment, like okay, cool, right now he can't be. You know the confronter when she needs you to tell her like nah, sit down, get in your place. Like, put her in a place, I do, because he's not focused right now. He's, you know, his mind is on x, y and z? Um, there has to be grace, but it can work. One person can do all five. But I just think like man, I just know how much work it takes to do all five. But it's a beautiful thing when it happens, you know, in harmony. When is we? When that person, or when both of them are able to kind of flow into each of those respective roles. So, yeah, for me, yeah. Why are you laughing? What's the look bro?
Speaker 2:I'm just I'm just listening to you fight fate listening to you fight fate cause you finna be all of them.
Speaker 1:But I can't. It's like my, my personality can't help it, because I have experience in every single role and I also understand myself enough to know like, okay, cool, I can be the counselor, I can be the comforter, I could be the celebrators to hell.
Speaker 1:I probably can celebrate people more, better than celebrate themselves yes um, and I, you know, you know, when I realized that, oh man, like I realized that, because a lot of people come to me when they have wins and I genuinely I love to see people win and I genuinely I think I can like transfer that, that emotion with them, because I can empathize that that win, or you know, and it feels, good so yeah, I think of all of them with the a, a genuine person like a, a real, genuine person celebrating is going to be the easiest of them all, because the other ones are a little harder to do.
Speaker 2:That's why I said that I know for a fact I'm a celebrator. Oh, you got extra 500. Yes, congratulations. Oh, you got extra $500? Yes, congratulations. Oh, you got your doctoral degree, you got your PhD? Yes, oh, you got that role. Yeah, like, and then I play a lot. I play a role of. I play the role of helping people to get those wins too. I've helped people. I've not helped. I've been a part of helping people get roles, like with theater or whatever, where they need me to play their part so they can hear it, and then they come back.
Speaker 2:I got that role and I be like yes, like it's so easy to celebrate, like if you don't celebrate other people wins, then you just a hater.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to whisper that. I want to say something about the celebrator. I think from my observation I've realized a lot of people kind of fake the celebrator. I think from my observation I've realized a lot of people kind of fake the celebrator role yeah you see a lot of people fake being a celebrator like oh man, I'm so happy for you, blah, blah blah. But they're not happy for you.
Speaker 1:They're actually like hating the fact that you got to a certain point and they didn't yeah and I'm like you and I, so I think true celebrators though you feel it, you don't just hear it. You feel that genuine emotion that transfers from them because they're like genuinely happy for you. Like Gary, like man, I remember when I was like just the accomplishments I've shared with him and in the short period of time I've noticed, like known him, he's always been to celebrate like bro, let's celebrate that. And it's a few more people that I have in my life. It's just genuinely like they're not forced saying great job because other people can see them say it but, more.
Speaker 1:it's like bro, let's, let's go like you're. You know, I mean like just just those small things, but when it's genuine it's like a breath of fresh air versus you having a homeboy or a buddy saying, bro man, I'm happy for you, bro, good job.
Speaker 2:And they just saying it out of formality, yeah, just saying it because they need they. Had they better Right.
Speaker 1:Like it's their job, right, right, like nah, bro, don't, don don't celebrate me if it's your job. Don't. Don't say that, though, if you don't mean it, because I I feel like there's a lot of uh, you know um fake people, that people that play the celebrating role that don't really you know, that shouldn't be there if that makes sense so yeah, all right, you ready to get into the controversial topics here? Um?
Speaker 2:yeah, go ahead. Okay, we love controversy all right.
Speaker 1:So this topic are you emotionally lazy or emotionally isolated? So relying on relying on one person to be everything versus not trusting anyone to be anything? So so you have people who rely on one person to be everything, and then you also have those individuals who don't trust people to be anything that's me right now. Yeah, like so I figured it was you side on everybody.
Speaker 3:That's why I was like hold on say it again, because I heard myself he's describing me, you guys so is that yeah, finish it is that emotionally?
Speaker 1:or are you emotionally lazy, or are you emotionally isolated?
Speaker 2:Emotionally isolated.
Speaker 1:Explain.
Speaker 2:I'm healing. It's a simple explanation. I'm healing, I am reevaluating, like I said at the beginning, with the goodbye of reevaluating my choices, and like decisions that I made that have, you know, put me in the circumstance that I'm in now, which I'm grateful for. But I don't think it's a bad thing. It's temporary, I know that for sure. Like the isolation is temporary, I don't think I'm lazy, I'm actually could be, sometimes feel like I could be a little bit too emotionally attached or available. So the isolation is just temporary, is I'm protecting myself right now? So I don't think it's bad. Do you think it's bad?
Speaker 1:so bad would be emotionally lazy okay, well then it's not bad um I think I think part of it could be you're emotionally lazy because you know how much work it takes to kind of build those bonds, that bond with a person to be one of those roles or to be you know, but how?
Speaker 1:however, I do understand that because I was in that healing phase where it was just you you know you and your immediate family or whoever else you relied on, but essentially you still kind of relied on yourself to be those roles. That helps build you up. But what helps you get through that healing journey is community. So having people that are strong in these roles but genuine in these roles, yes, that's the heart Genuine. Yeah yeah, it's, it's different. It's not easy to find someone as genuine today.
Speaker 2:That's why I have to be isolated for now to to see yeah you know, you, you learn a lot just by. You don't even have to talk, just by listening. Yeah, oh my gosh, oh my god you learn stuff you don't need dang. I don't think I was supposed to know that, but I know it you know, it's just a side note.
Speaker 1:You know I've learned the most About women In the last Year or two, and it was during my healing journey, because I was just more Observing and listening. I wasn't interacting, I was observing and listening. And now I'm like, oh, for 45 minutes I get it.
Speaker 2:No, not, not like that.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying like I've had women that were in my life, as you know, friends or whatever, and conversations, and just kind of seeing how they go about things and seeing how they think it just brought so much insight. So but it helped me because I was in an emotional, isolated point to where I'm like, okay, cool, let me take this from this moment, let me take this from this, let me make sure I emphasize this, because this is what they're looking for in this moment because of the conversations I've had. So, yeah, you can learn a lot just by listening.
Speaker 1:Like you said, but, also the whole listening and seeing.
Speaker 2:Pay attention to people's actions yes, I think that's super important. Actions now that's for like listening and seeing. Oh, you might get hurt, but I think that's so important. It's something that I've learned, not in the journey that I'm on now, but just throughout my adulthood like within the last five years which I talked about that I used to be real quick to come back at you. You say something, be real quick to come back at you. You say something, I'm going to come back real quick, but I've learned to stop and just let you go, listen to what you're saying, and then I respond accordingly.
Speaker 1:Let them go All right. So the next question is does this is a good one?
Speaker 2:You didn't answer that last question.
Speaker 1:What was the last Wait? How didn't answer that last question? What was the last wait? How did I answer that? The last question was am I emotionally lazy or emotionally isolated? Yeah I'm neither. Well, I guess this one doesn't pertain to me, but that's fine so it was uh relying on one person to be everything versus not trusting anyone to be anything. I think I've never relied on one person to be everything yes and I would never, never, you shouldn't be everything even though there are people who can, but you still should have that small part of you.
Speaker 2:that's not necessarily relying on them, because anything can happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like people that are taken care of is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1:I think and this question can be an extension, or this can be an extension from this question I think, for me, though, is like I feel like we all have this one role that we want to have in certain moments. Like some people in every moment may want a celebrator, some people in every moment may want a challenger at all times in their lives. I think for me, just looking at the roles, I think I've always really wanted a comforter.
Speaker 2:Stop.
Speaker 1:Stop Not someone to kind of like and comforting in terms of like, you know, believe it or not, and I think this is what men are overlooked. We are. We are overlooked in this point because I think a lot of times we're supposed to be tough to rock, sure, but comforter is is something that every man wants. Maybe they may not directly say it, maybe they may directly, you know, allude to it, but just having someone that can either be there for your emotional support not directly give it to you, but just you know you have it there if it happens and you need that emotional support, it's huge Because we're taught to keep work, we are taught to work through every single thing. So I think, for me, comforter is something that I was like oh, you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm not having a comfort in every moment. Right, you need one, we all need one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Because we, we all need one. Yeah, I agree. I agree because of we all need a safe space. Like it's like just based off of like how men are taught to be, versus now, like it's not realistic. I mean it can be, but let's be real, it's 2025.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, now I think there's a balance and you, you should, you know, as as a, you know, a person that is on your own. You shouldn't always like have a comforter there, because they can make you feel a little bit more like, you know, helpless if you're always like, oh I know, I got somebody to comfort me at the end of the day, then it can, it can, it can be a um, a slippery slope there, but I think in some form a comforter is always needed in your life.
Speaker 1:What about you? What do you think? What role do you think in most moments or maybe in your life you've always wanted to have?
Speaker 2:I'd probably say the same and just because I thought that in the past I've had that somebody to be that for me but yeah it's turned out that they weren't you know what I'm saying like it wasn't genuine. So to be able to go to someone freely and just be my emotional self, because I'm a little so a comforter yeah, I said the same. So yeah, okay, okay so. Comfort yeah, yeah, okay. We we gotta have somebody we can. So yeah, okay, okay so comfort.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay, we got to have somebody we can lean on Lean on in those trying times.
Speaker 1:Correct, all right. The next question here is what you got. Oh, go ahead with your question. My bad bro, I forgot about your question, go ahead. No, your questions are. My bad bro, I forgot about your questions, go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, your questions are good. On the confronter. Have you had someone that was like a confronter for you?
Speaker 1:Tell you the truth with love, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like constructive criticism.
Speaker 1:I've had I've never had anyone that tells me the truth. Told me the truth with love. I've had people tell me the truth because they hate it. Well, they didn't say hate it, but they didn't like me. So, oh yeah, here's the truth.
Speaker 2:Oh, they didn't like you. Yeah, oh, no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never had anyone like hey, man, and actually I value that, like if it's some truth that needs to be spoken, please. I love constructive criticism, like give it to me Like I need to. That's how I get better at anything. Whether that's creativity, design work, I don't care. Give it to me and I guarantee you I can make an adjustment. If it's you know, valuable, then I'll make an adjustment and make, make it better. But I think I do value a confronter. For sure you got to have a confronter in your life.
Speaker 2:My best friend. She would not hesitate to tell me about myself. She'd be like I love you. But I just got to say again if X, y, z, then we wouldn't. I'd be like okay. So the question is have you ever cut someone off just because they told you the truth?
Speaker 1:Oh no, no, no, no, no. Okay, that's bad. That's about you. You're valuable at that point. Hey you, what? Oh cool, tell me more.
Speaker 2:I mean only if it's coming from a good place I was just about to say, because what you just said at first was they was telling you that not out of love.
Speaker 1:I had that person in my life and I thought they were good to be in my life. But I started to realize like that negative energy they always had even though they came to confront they would confront at any given moment, they were ready like that was their superpower and I was like, oh, maybe I need this in my life, but they did teach me something. They taught me not like directly, but from dealing with them.
Speaker 1:I had to evolve my personalities, to kind of figure out how to um mesh with them yeah and I did it so many different times, so I learned, I picked up a lot of qualities in terms of that, but I realized that the 10th time that I evolved, I can't mesh with this person it's not me it's them yeah, so but if they had my best interest at heart, if it was out of love, then they would still be in my life. Yeah, you know. But yeah, I had to realize like yeah, bro this is so.
Speaker 1:You did cut them off, just not right away yeah, but they weren't a confronter a confronter you want in your life yeah, this is somebody.
Speaker 1:It's a negative, negative yeah, you have to be very careful with that, because some people just in your life just try to tear you down, even though it'd be they. Just they're just waiting for a moment for them to put their input in, and it could be some good input. But it's just like, hey, I'm going to tell you this because I want to bring you back down, you know so you have to be very careful of those people let's just go in order with the challenger oh okay.
Speaker 2:Um, so, with the challenger, somebody that pushes you, I can say, my best friend does that for me too. They see your potential and won't let you settle. She's she been on me real heavy these last couple months for real. Um what, why are you so? I'm in thought. Cause I'm thinking about who has played that role in my life well, clearly I don't talk to a lot of people, so my best friend plays a lot of these roles for me.
Speaker 1:Shout out to your best friend for being all shout out to k hey girl um challenger can somebody that challenges you become somebody that's controlling? Oh, a challenger can be controlling not my case, she. She's not controlling. That's good. I don't think I've ever had a challenger in my life.
Speaker 2:Really. Yeah, you ain't had no person, but you might have had a doctoral program that challenged you.
Speaker 1:That doctoral program definitely did challenge me. Because what is a challenger?
Speaker 2:A challenger is what they see your potential and won't let you settle. They motivate you, inspire you feel, fuel your ambition. But the bad part of it is they may ignore your capacity or emotional state, so they may push you even for when you may need a little break, yeah I've never had, you know, Even in my advisors it's never been that. Really. Yeah, I think the advisor role is to push you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never had the challenger in my life. Well, I haven't, Ooh if I ever did have a challenger, Imagine I'm already a hard worker. Now, Ooh, if I ever did have a challenger, imagine I'm already hardworking I would probably. I was just thinking like somebody to push me to be like even better is crazy work.
Speaker 2:What's the difference between the confronter and the challenger?
Speaker 1:So the confronter is that person is going to say it's going to be 100% upfront with you about you know a mistake, something that they know, about something that they saw, but it's all with love. The challenger is one who pushed you just to grow and it's not all the time they're going to confront you, but they can go hand in hand with the right person. Yeah, the right person can confront you, um, but they can go hand in hand with the right person. Yeah, right person can't confront you with love, but also challenge you to do better by pushing you in that next step.
Speaker 2:so yeah, the challenge are like they try to get you out your comfort zone, right so not all the time it's gonna be critiqued to do better it could be like no, you can.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't want to work. I say no you. You need to work out today because x, y, y and Z.
Speaker 2:You know what happens when those endorphins start pumping through your body.
Speaker 1:There you go. What other one do you have? Counselor. The counselor role is tricky.
Speaker 2:You got to be careful who you take advice from.
Speaker 1:You got to be careful 100%.
Speaker 2:That type of advice.
Speaker 1:You have to be careful with. If you are a counselor you have to be careful with. If you are a counselor, you have to be careful with how you give advice oh, that's good. I think the counselor one is very tricky cause. Oh man, like if you have someone that is a counselor and they're always giving advice, that can seem overbearing for you.
Speaker 2:It can become a crutch for you.
Speaker 1:It can become a crutch too, um, bearing for you.
Speaker 1:It can become a crutch.
Speaker 1:For you, it can become a crutch too um, and for them it could seem like they are know-it-all and they're less compassionate about your situation because they, in their mind, oh, I've experienced this, I know more, so let me give you this information.
Speaker 1:But you're like I don't even want to hear you, I don't want to get wisdom or advice, I just need you here to be a comforter. So I think a lot of times in which those two, the comforter and the counselor are, like you know, on two ends of the spectrum, because the counselor is trying to like like, hey, this is what you need to do, the comfort like oh, so. So how do you feel? You know what I mean, and I think I personally, for some reason, I'm good at hybrid comfort and counseling, because I've been able to kind of like lead with the comfort, and when a person is ready, I can give them that wisdom and that counsel of like okay, this is what needs to happen. These are the things you're going to see, and this, these are things you can do to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1:I think that is probably a gift that I do have because, I always leave with the comfort because I understand, like I've been through some stuff. This person may have been through some stuff and they may just need you to meet them where they are, and I think that's where the term comes Meet that person where they are. It's just being in the comfort, their comfort zone. Give them a safe space and then allow them to ask for your help.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:mentor. Yes, I do. I'm actually looking into expanding that um role for some people. I have two mentees now. Um, I just took on one last week. Actually shout out to her.
Speaker 2:Shout out to her.
Speaker 1:Hey, her, her.
Speaker 2:We got the same name.
Speaker 1:No, you're supposed to like shout out, like talk about your mentees and mentor Anyway, but I think you know the men, the person, the people I try to I bring on are definitely for, like you know, growth purposes, Especially if I have information that can kind of assist them purposes, especially if I have information that can kind of system. But I also want to make sure that that the you know the mentorship, mentor and menteeship is important to where they're getting what they need, not just because I want to see them and I see their potential like nah, what do you want to get out of this?
Speaker 1:I want to know more about x, y and z, but I also want to see how I can go about doing this cool. That's the structure. Well, that is the goal. Let me give you the structure around how we're going to get there. So, yeah, have you ever been a mentor for any?
Speaker 2:No, simple answer is no, but I have had a mentor. Um, I could be and I said no quick because I haven't. But I do have the, the qualities and the potential to be. But you know, again, I don't really surround myself with a lot of people.
Speaker 2:I do have, okay, my, my students. They they come to me for a lot, so not like a as far as like a continuous role, but as needed, I am a mentor. So I'll let me change my answer from no to yes okay, okay, all right, I got two questions for you one question is who plays?
Speaker 1:do you have someone that plays each role in your life separately? No, it's the same person so you have one person that plays all roles, okay. Second question is are you expecting something from your? If you have a partner, all right. If you have a partner, what roles are you expecting them to play in your life?
Speaker 2:comforter for sure that's it I mean, yes, of course I want them to play other roles. But the comforter for sure, the challenger, like I do have an ex where he was like you're not going to the gym today, what? So you're just not going to go to the gym and I'd be like, okay, I'm going to go. So that was like him trying to challenge me a little bit, challenge my routine, challenge me as a person, but that wasn't consistent from him. But Comforter for sure, I say Challenger just because I know it'll come from a place of love per se and yeah, I don't need my significant other counseling me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no okay what about you?
Speaker 1:um. So the questions. I answer the first question first. So the first question was do you have?
Speaker 2:I remember the question, do I?
Speaker 1:have a person playing. So I think currently, let's see man. Do I have a person playing any of those roles right now? Do I have multiple? I definitely. I have plenty of celebrators.
Speaker 2:I was going to throw this fan over there.
Speaker 1:I got a lot of celebrators.
Speaker 3:You definitely have a lot of celebrators.
Speaker 1:Yo, I got a lot of celebrators, which is crazy work.
Speaker 2:You can never have too many celebrators. That's good I 100%.
Speaker 1:I've never had that in my life, so I am grateful for all my celebrators. I don't have a counselor. I think me I don't. I don't know. I don't have a challenger right now. I think I don't know if I have a confronter either. Comforter, safe space. I think I'm emotionally isolated.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're going to go back to that question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I'm starting to realize like for a person to comfort me, I have to be willing to like Emotionally available. I have to be realize like for the for a person to comfort me, I have to be willing to like emotionally available. I have to be emotionally available for them. So, yeah, maybe I don't have. I don't have celebrators. I need to increase my capacity for all of these roles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is that why I said that being emotionally unavailable or emotionally isolated, I mean, is temporary.
Speaker 1:that's a temporary thing, like it's not gonna stay forever yeah, but just thinking back on it, like my intentions are to like I want to have these roles right right.
Speaker 1:But I also feel like, like you're saying, it's hard to trust some certain people to like what's your intentions? Um, even if I'm looking for a challenger, like okay, like I don't mind having someone push me, at the same time I do understand, like I'm always pushing myself. So, like do I need a challenger because I'm like I'm always going to work, you know, and try to work hard as I can, counselor wise, though? No, I don't think I need a counselor right now. I think to answer that question, this goes to our question of you got to answer the second part of the question the second part was wait what was that so if.
Speaker 1:I had a significant other, what roles would I want them to play? Comforter for sure. Celebrator I love a good celebrator. Significant other. So if I had a significant other, what roles would I want them to play? Um, comforter for sure. Celebrator I love a good celebrator. When it's january, for sure. Um, I don't know if I wanted to be the confronter or the challenger probably both maybe no, I think, confronter.
Speaker 1:I would prefer to be a Confirmer instead of a Challenger. So, like, just tell me the truth with love. Like not not saying, create some stuff that you know me, like, oh, let me just confront them about it. No, bro, no, we ain't playing that game. Stop it. Um, I definitely can't have my significant other being a counselor. Nah, bro.
Speaker 1:No, With my personality though I don't need a counselor, Like I got perspective. I'm not saying I know everything, but typically if I'm in a place where I need support, it's probably I need comfort, so I can have time to find the wisdom myself.
Speaker 2:So I can have time to find the wisdom myself. So I didn't say celebrator, because, though that's important, they're like, my significant other celebrates me. I'm celebrating myself, like I see. I see I'm going to congratulate myself every single time, no hesitation, so that I do feel like that's important though, to have someone in that role, for sure Interesting.
Speaker 3:Huh, what's interesting.
Speaker 2:What was the last question that you had?
Speaker 3:Before we wrap it up.
Speaker 2:I don't know, you might have lost your train of thought no, I did not. Okay, my bad.
Speaker 1:Should you normalize getting pushed and hugged by different people?
Speaker 2:What say it again?
Speaker 1:Should you normalize getting pushed and hugged by different people?
Speaker 2:Hugged like yeah, normalize that. No, don't touch me, please. Pushed as in like push you to your potential.
Speaker 1:Correct Hugged as in showing love by different people, show me love by different people.
Speaker 2:Show me love by saying hello, don't touch me if I don't. I'm one of those that practice social distancing before COVID. I do not like being touched.
Speaker 1:All right, so let's get you answer that.
Speaker 2:Stop skipping over stuff.
Speaker 1:Answer what.
Speaker 2:What you just asked me.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think you should normalize getting pushed and hugged by different people hugged we have never hugged, ever in life, me and you.
Speaker 2:We are real friends. What? Why are?
Speaker 1:we, why we have, why do we have to hug?
Speaker 2:well, I'm saying like because you wouldn't want a random person coming up to you.
Speaker 1:You don't want random people to push you, you know what, and you don't want random people listen. Hey, renee, listen. I had a random person give me a hug that I did not know and I haven't had a hug in two years and that then probably made you feel like a way, like a good way, right?
Speaker 1:yes, I'm like dang, like I didn't know I needed this g. This Gary gave me a hug in a gym and I was like dang, I didn't know I needed this. Like I've been so emotionally isolated that my second nature isn't to embrace someone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I found that when people steal hugs or embrace me, it's comforting, it's like, dang, you know what I needed. This hug Like it's comforting, it's like, dang, you know what I needed. This hug like it's okay, and I think I'm not saying like don't be pulling up exactly.
Speaker 1:Don't be pulling up exactly, but I'm saying like I think it should be normalized, because we're so disconnected as a society that no one knows how to show love generally anymore. So people are like don't touch me, but I'm saying your person or your people, like your friends, should be able to be like man, give me a hug, bro.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I think that is important and cause you never know who's going five years without even hugging somebody. But for me, like those moments where people stole like was still hugs, I was like man, I needed this and I didn't even know, I didn't even think about it in the moment, and it was like dang. I appreciate this. So, yes, I think we should normalize that in terms of people pushing us. If they're, if they have our best interest at heart, sure, if it's like they see us, like okay, I see.
Speaker 1:No, this person can do way better. They are, they have our best interest at heart. Sure. If it's like they see us, like okay, I see. No, this person can do way better. They are, they have it. They just need someone to say man, look, you got this. Let's go in the gym, bro. I see you, I see you grinding, or you on set 15, you're about to go to set 16. You don't want to do it, you got it. That's pushing you, normalizing that. So I think it's okay to do that now. Granted, I understand you. You need to make sure you have the capacity for it.
Speaker 1:Because, that's what you're saying. You may not have the capacity to receive a hug from somebody, but for me and this is just like a vulnerable moment I think I really appreciated the moments that I was like man and this was like this healing year wasn't easy and for the people that stole those hugs, I was like dang bro, I needed these.
Speaker 2:You know how some men are, is the hug the equivalent of like a DAPA? You know, like not even a handshake I'm talking about like the Obama. So the embrace, yeah, the embrace, yeah, embrace.
Speaker 1:So I think now god believe it or not, I think now guys are getting more comfortable with embracing each other a little bit more.
Speaker 1:So the dap and then the embrace yeah that is, that is becoming more, more, um, what's the term looking for like regular now, because I think guys are starting to realize, like man, I need to express bro you good, we straight, showing a little bit more love and affection in a sense. So, yes, that is important, because if somebody already messaged you, what's up, bro you good, yeah good, what's up man, and they wrap around.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they tap you on that back. That's a small hook.
Speaker 2:So that's, that's the equivalent of just a hook, because I feel like a man like they gotta do the dab before some men. I was just about to say some men. I swear I was about to say some men, but I also.
Speaker 1:I think it's just how that person sees you and I and I think man just talking with gary gary kind of expressed me like like bro, he was like you know, just to be transparent, bro, you amazing human being, and I think by him knowing what I went through, my you know my entire who be transparent. He's like bro, you're an amazing human being and I think by him knowing what I went through my you know my entire who I am, how I love. He just said, nah, bro, he just gave me a hug, bro, and I was like dang, like I appreciated that. So I think it depends on the person, like if like see that you're you're, you're going through some things and or you've been through some things, that want to embrace you and show genuine love, I think that's important.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and it must not be you. I mean the little context, because gary is is older yeah, so he's not worried about.
Speaker 1:You know, some men also aren't as I don't want to say affectionate, but you know where they're so free to embrace because just of what they think other people might think like, yeah, they ain't gonna care, but I think if it's like more like it feels like family, yeah, nobody's thinking about that, like so, yeah, uh, we're actually coming to an end man, we're an hour in, so all right, so let's wrap this up so, um, I think is important and do some reflection here. So we talked about all five roles and how important it is to have some, uh, someone in your life that plays over those roles, cause I think that helps gives you a more harmonic um mental space, or mental um mind frame, if that makes sense. More harmonic mental space or mental um mind frame, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:more harmonic mental mind frame, harmonic mental mind frame wow, I just created something I'm pretty sure a better term for that made it a harmonic mental mind frame yeah, I think it's important to have those five people in your life because it brings you, know, a sense of a purpose, fulfillment, support, um, you can they help. You know, if there's a challenge or confronting, help you better themselves, better yourself, they'll be better yourself. Or you know it could be someone that is able to give you the truth when it's hard, but you're willing to receive it because you know it's in love. Um, yeah, I think it's important to have all five of those kind of like ocho said.
Speaker 2:Ocho said in that video I think that I think it's important as well, but I also feel like you shouldn't. You shouldn't feel a way if those somebody that feels that role rotates out and someone else comes and feels it because they may outgrow that role for you in your life yeah so I don't feel like you should. Um, people shouldn't be confined to having or being that role, in that role for someone, because you, what you give, may outgrow them correct and then someone else with more to give fills that role for them.
Speaker 2:So I just feel like you shouldn't and if you don't, then that's good too but don't feel like that. Somebody that moves on out of that role for you, that's a bad thing. It can be a good thing. So just be open to knowing that somebody that fills those roles for you, it might change yeah, which is a good thing I agree, I agree, okay, guys.
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